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love the lively discussion on this prop! i feel the closest to krel's vwr that i was a bit torn but ultimately leaned in the direction of supporting. chris' report on there having been nouners and nouns props that were generated from nounish encounters on last year's FWB Fest also contributed to my decision. i do feel lilfrog's views though as well.
a few thoughts on things that could be improved for next year:
- i agree with lilfrog that there's a lot of value that FWB is also getting by nouns fronting the bill on this event and performance that adds value to the FWB Fest. i wonder if it could have been structured as a bit more as a partnership where FWB wants nouns to put on this event as much as we're willing to fund creativity such that $12k FWB housing items and maybe the $15k main stage performance costs have been covered by them? i don't know the norms of FWB Fest but theoretically it does seem reasonable that they would court nouns to spend ~$50k for IRL experiences and creativity at FWB Fest by subsidizing something like $30k or so.
- i'm slightly torn by $10k community guest speaker fees. on one hand maybe it's reasonable to pay ppl to come so that we have the best representatives possible. on the other hand it's kind of a festival that ppl would normally go to to enjoy and maybe the ppl that would normally go anyways would be the right ppl to represent the cross section of nouns x FWB?
as seen in my comments above i think the main issue i feel with the prop is that it feels a bit loose on the budget. i think nouns is increasingly getting into a world we need to be tight on prop budgets to be able to keep funding the depth and breath of things that we fund!
anyways, having said all that i really recognize the nouns love and passion the park ppl have and have no doubt that this will be amongst the most nounish IRL activations. hope it passes and best of luck to everyone involved!
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> Tbc, this is not a homerun prop for me and the outcome is not super clear, but i have a strong conviction in Nouns enabling its biggest fans to do their thing. Provide them the runway needed to spread nouns organically in their (creative) circles.
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> Nouns thrives when people do things with great passion (and struggles when we fund people to do checkbox exercises), and in that department i trust The Park to deliver.
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> > I want to preface my vote on this proposal by acknowledging a potential bias: I'm good friends with Derek, and we're collaborating on Prop 450. However, I'm not affiliated with The Park, and I consider this proposal separate from our ongoing work. Additionally, while I used to work with FWB, I haven't done so professionally for about a year and will be attending this year's event as a participant.
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> > Derek played a pivotal role in introducing me to Nouns and sparking my interest in contributing. His commitment to the Nouns ecosystem is evident: He constantly rocks a noggle earring, dedicates time and energy to Nounish projects, and showcases Nouns when talking about his work onchain. A Lil Nouns Coffee event a couple of years ago, which Derek organized, was my first 'nounish' IRL experience.
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> > Derek played a pivotal role in introducing me to Nouns and sparking my interest in contributing. His commitment to the Nouns ecosystem is evident in the way he constantly rocks a noggle earring, the way he dedicates time and energy to Nounish projects (the Lil Nouns Coffee event a couple of years ago, which Derek organized, was my first 'nounish' IRL experience) and the way he showcases Nouns when talking about his work onchain.
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> > Last year, The Park's activation at FWB Fest was a significant success. They brought Nounish builders to the event and effectively showcased the heart of Nouns to a crowd of onchain natives and curious individuals. This audience, gathered to discuss building a better future internet, was perfectly primed to engage with Nouns' approach to decentralized creativity and governance. The Park's presence not only increased visibility for Nouns but also fostered meaningful conversations about the project's potential future impact.
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> > Regarding Lilfrog's comment about community members repping Nouns voluntarily rather than for payment, I understand the sentiment but believe it misses the mark here. Derek and the collective of The Park have consistently represented Nouns at various events, including Coachella - all unpaid. There's a clear distinction between casually repping Nouns at events (which Derek already does) and executing a structured, comprehensive representation strategy as outlined in this proposal.
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> > Lilfrog also asked if the money would be better served creating our own Nouns event. That’s an admirable desire (and something I know others in our community are very much working on), but that would be on a budgetary scale vastly different from what this proposal is scoped for.
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> > This prop offers an immediate and concrete plan for representation at a major event happening in the near future. It allows us to seize a timely opportunity to showcase Nouns alongside other major players in the ecosystem via a nounish DAO that represents the community well. The Park's track record demonstrates that they have the ability to create meaningful, impactful activations.
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> > It’s a yes from me ☻
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> FWB Fest has an outsized impact on the creative crypto community. Last year, I attended as an emissary of Builder DAO, and it was a top event for generating awareness and interest in Builder. I also spoke to many people about Nouns, cleared up their misconceptions, and discussed bringing their creative projects to Nouns, culminating in Nouns Coffeeshop. As a result, I can count at least six new Nouns since the event (Valerie x 2, the Park, Drew, Will, and myself) who were either awarded for impact or purchased a Noun after the event. Fest is focused on creative technologists and longtime crypto practitioners who are ready to become Nouns contributors and members.
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> One thing I've learned in more intimate settings like Fest is that would be contributors, even and maybe especially experienced crypto practitioners, are still intimidated by Nouns, think it's an exclusive club, not for them or find it difficult to onboard and get started. It is easy to overcome but the most effective way to do it is to meet people IRL, show them a friendly face, introduce them to other Nouns and make them more comfortable engaging deeper. We have a lot to talk about this year, including the ability to join by earning $Nouns. Having an official presence at Fest lets them know that Nouns is here to support and collaborate with them and the creative community.
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> Hey, this is very cool, thanks for sharing. I'd love to see more of this!
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> > It aligns perfectly with Nouns' goals of community engagement and creative expression (a.k.a proliferation)
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> I love that you called out your vision for nouns here. One of the challenges for nouns is that there isn't really an agreed upon goal or vision for the org. Folks like you who are taking a stance and saying "this is what I believe nouns should be about" are important to helping the dao find it's vision so it can start working more cohesively towards those goals. "Proliferating the meme" gets thrown around a bunch, but I've never found that goal compelling because it is not specific. "Funding creative expression" is specific and something we can take actionable strides towards.
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> My biggest concern about this prop is that FWB gets the "brand capital" (not sure how to phrase this). For example, I watched Toby Shorin's "life after lifestyle" talk the other day, and thought it was cool that fest was able to create a culture and festival that produces such knowledge artifacts. In my mind it is FWB that is capable of creating a culture that allowed Toby's talk to flourish, and FWB gets the brand capital. If nouns funds this proposal, I don't doubt that it would be well executed and a huge success, I just think it would be more of a benefit to the culture and reputation of fest than it would be to nouns. It doesn't feel symbiotic in the way basecamp + fest are co-creating.
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> I respect the commitment to funding creative expression but wouldn't we rather nouns become the red bull music academy? In order to get there I think we need to be spending effort + capital on doing our own thing rather than contributing elsewhere.
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> > Here is a mint by The Park that shows more insight on all the non paid proliferation they've been doing: Fest 2023, ETH LATAM Honduras, NFT NYC, Coachella 2024, Capitol Hill for the voting of the FIT21 bill: https://bit.ly/3VXqlkt
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> > > It would be cool if folks in our community repped nouns at these events because they wanted to, not because they were getting paid to do so.
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