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That take misses the mark. Sure, using GitHub and Vercel isn’t peak decentralization, but pretending that makes Nouns “the opposite of decentralized” is lazy reasoning.
Let’s be real, hosting a frontend on Vercel or keeping code on GitHub doesn’t centralize the protocol. The contracts live on Ethereum, and that’s where the logic, treasury, and governance sit. GitHub could nuke every repo tomorrow, and nothing onchain breaks. You could redeploy any frontend from scratch, point it to the same contracts, and it would work just fine.
Vercel? Yeah, it’s a private company. But it’s just serving static assets, not controlling funds. Anyone can mirror the same build to IPFS, Cloudflare, Arweave, or whatever else in a few minutes. The stack’s portable, and that’s what matters. Centralization at the hosting layer doesn’t equal centralization of power.
Saying “Ethereum security is pointless without decentralized frontends” is also a stretch. People interact with Nouns contracts through plenty of interfaces like Etherscan, CLI scripts, or wallets. The frontend is just a convenience, not the source of truth.
As for the “Nouns doesn’t even run validators” bit, yeah, it could, but that’s not its mission. Running validator nodes doesn’t suddenly make a DAO less “Web2.” It just makes it a worse sysadmin. Ethereum already handles consensus and uptime. Nouns doesn’t need to reinvent that part of the stack to stay legitimate.
And the “build our own cloud” thing sounds nice on paper until you realize you’re just moving trust from AWS to a few people with boxes in their basements. That’s not decentralization; that’s a single point of failure with better marketing.
If you really care about sovereignty, publish builds to IPFS, mirror repos on Radicle, or use decentralized RPC networks. That’s how you get resilience without cosplaying as an infrastructure company.
Decentralization isn’t an all-or-nothing religion. It’s a spectrum, and Nouns is already decentralized where it counts, in governance, treasury, and transparency. The rest is just convenience infrastructure, not ideology.
> Nouns web hosting is the opposite of decentralized
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> Multiple clients with code hosted on Github, (which is owned by Microsoft,) the Dapps themselves hosted on Vercel, (private, centralized company famous for marking up and reselling Amazon server space. Whether it's .wtf, .camp, .game, Probe, .com, Berry, Nouns 95, they're all reliant on centralized web2 tech stacks. Anouns may be the single exception here, though I wonder how their edge functions are handled, (Fleek is better than Vercel, etc. but you're still putting trust in a venture-funded company without any real ownership, aka Web2)
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> what good is the state-level security and uptime of Ethereum if we have no way to interact with the smart contract protocol we have on there?
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> what hypocrites are we to experiment in self-sovereign systems of governance and capital allocation while building the least sovereign tooling possible to make the experiment move?Nouns DAO does not even host a single validator node to secure the network we claim to care about so much, despite having enough ETH In the treasury to setup 100 of them!
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> Moosh is offering clear deliverables with a specific implementation timeline: several pieces of server hardware shipped directly to Nouners, a cloud we own and run for ourselves, with our frontends made into simple drag & drop to deploy templates
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> with our own cloud, we can have our own RPC, our own validators, we can live true to the cypherpunk ethos of the technology we're building on top of, an actual self-sovereign tech stack
And to be fair, we’re talking about the tech layer here, while centralization in the social layer and voting dominance has always existed in Nouns and probably always will.