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0x65a3870f…1d63sent to0x6f3e6272…223d·#24,141,324·0x8fbf7e64…1ff9c9
nouns need fewer "I'm gonna proliferate the meme bro" props +1 > Let’s leave ‘let them cook’ props in 2025 and usher in a new year where proposals have set deliverables that proposers are expected to execute, not just make good faith efforts
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+1 > We've got so many talented artists in our community, and it often feels like the only thing that comes out of it is just more trait proposals. Can our artists team up on something bigger than just individual traits? > > We need proposals that reach out to new communities and get more folks interested in what we're doing. Let's put our heads together and cook up something way more exciting for Nouns holders to actually govern. Honestly, voting on whether another trait should be added is pretty boring, and I definitely don't think it's worth the compensation these proposals are asking for.
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The thing about everyone calling for these folks to reach out the NGOs is that at this scale (10K) it's not really something you can you if you want to keep your agency. Maybe you can hope some giant humanitarian group swoops in to help, but you're at the whim of that group. I don't think it's very pragmatic advice
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my bull case for nouns is funding more software. BasePaint is one of the most interesting consumer crypto applications out there. By highlighting BasePaint, maybe we can encourage more experimentation in consumer crypto that isn't just launching the nth token launchpad. cheers
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the irony is that spending 40K to buy pizzas _is_ extraction +1 > > If Nouns DAO is to wither away until only sycophants and extractors remain, so be it. > > Insulting the DAO members is not a great way of gathering support. > > +1 > > > Together, we’ve built a magnificent, amazing global event that is wholesome and beautiful. It’s a celebration of all that we share here on Spaceship Earth, centered around three things accessible almost everywhere: pizza, the internet, and Bitcoin. > > > > In the process of attempting to bring Nouns DAO along on our third Global Pizza Party together, the PizzaDAO community has felt misunderstood, hurt, and, finally, insulted: “Beyond people getting a free meal with Nouns logos at the party, it’s hard to identify any durable, strategic benefit for the DAO.” - 0xjanedoe. Jane has used the word “respect” more freely in her writing than is appropriate for someone who has shown little. Viewing PizzaDAO's work through such a simplistic lens shows little care for the builders involved or the values that brought us together in the first place. > > > > When Nouns DAO launched in 2021 (months after PizzaDAO), I felt like it was the meta version of what we were building. As a copyleft maxi from a young age (I’ve been selling copyleft t-shirts since 2013, when you could first accept Bitcoin on Shopify), I thought I’d found my people. I’ve always believed in the basic goodness of humans and their desire to improve themselves and their environment. If we shared more, we could build faster, better, stronger. > > > > The only noun I ever considered for PizzaDAO was 292, with its WE shirt (Did you know that WE stands for Whole Earth?) and its pizza head. I worked to convince wilsoncusack.eth that I and PizzaDAO would be proper stewards of such a fine NFT (he was quite attached). He finally agreed to 40 ETH. On April 20, 2023, I paid 42 (for the memes). > > > > So why are we putting this prop up, despite our very negative feelings towards our fearless captors? Because it feels wrong to let the opinions of a few get in the way of the deep fellowship between the Nouns DAO and PizzaDAO communities. Web3 is a community first revolution. Real value (and real power) resides in the community, not the treasury. > > > > If Nouns DAO is to wither away until only sycophants and extractors remain, so be it. But PizzaDAO will not be to blame. If destroying the sandcastles we’ve built in order to save the sandbox is the chosen path, we’ll simply find another sandbox. The metaverse is vast.
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+1 > I'm in favor of more experimentation around funding methods. Crypto is all about innovation. We want newcomers to be enabled to build even if they don't have their own funds, otherwise we will lose a lot of potential talent. > > I want to see this experiment go forward, as I think we can all learn from it.
0x65a3870f…1d63sent to0xf790a5f5…1365·#22,431,821·0xfbd53023…e92069
nouns-dao-x-pizzadao:-global-pizza-party-2025-(final-attempt)@0x2767...3938 It's not an iteration based on community feedback if you are just asking for less and less money each time until the prop finally passes. It's almost like the plan is to extract max possible value while still passing! > @0x65A3...1D63 > > fwiw pineapple does belong on pizza, just like ⌐◨-◨ belong at the PizzaDAO's parties, imo 🍍🍕 > > Hardly spam. Just iterations based on the community feedback, with majority in support. Third and final, as stated by the proposer. Large haircuts each version. Apparently, listening to the DAO and trying again is now a governance attack? Wowza > > “The path that leads to what we truly desire is long and difficult, but only by following that path do we achieve our goal.” - Master Splinter (TMNT 1989) 🐀 > > > > @0x2767...3938 > > > > Yea exactly right, a governance attack. It happened in prop 289 of compound DAO. The vector is spamming the same proposal over and over to fatigue voters, and hoping that low overall voter participation allows for the proposal to be pushed through. > > > > > @0x65A3...1D63 > > > > > > Attack on governance? lol, that’s like saying pineapple doesn’t belong on pizza 🍍🍕 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spamming the same proposal again and again is a governance attack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
0x65a3870f…1d63sent to0xf790a5f5…1365·#22,424,753·0xdd56de37…fcd3b2
nouns-dao-x-pizzadao:-global-pizza-party-2025-(final-attempt)@0x2767...3938 Yea exactly right, a governance attack. It happened in prop 289 of compound DAO. The vector is spamming the same proposal over and over to fatigue voters, and hoping that low overall voter participation allows for the proposal to be pushed through. > @0x65A3...1D63 > > Attack on governance? lol, that’s like saying pineapple doesn’t belong on pizza 🍍🍕 > > > > > > > Spamming the same proposal again and again is a governance attack > > > > > >
0x65a3870f…1d63sent to0x6f3e6272…223d·#22,389,822·0x31b01509…40166c
Thanks for the proposal and the teaser video, I liked it. Here's a summary I've had with a few other folks: As others have mentioned, I don't think it's feasible that this prop onboard 200+ active members. We maybe have 100 active members as it stands, and that's fine. The best thing we could do is attract funding. We should shift our goals away from "how do we onboard as many new members as possible" to "how can we ensure our treasury has enough consistent funding so we can continue to fund cool ideas". Perhaps one path towards this goal is if nouns is okay with funding art for arts sake. In this case it doesn't really matter if your play onboards new members -- we would want to support it because we want to support the best art possible, regardless of how "nounish" it is. I actually think the play is better if there's absolutely no requirement that it focus on nouns. "Sponsored by nouns" would be enough. The idea would be that nouns gets some sort of social capital for having funded good art. I actually think the better approach in this case is not to have the play (or the art more generally) have to have noggles, or be about nouns, as then it has a better chance of having broad appeal and thus a higher chance nouns can start building social capital for being a purveyer of great art. The argument then follows that by building brand / social capital for nouns through funding the best possible art, maybe we can attract larger donors who are willing to help fill our treasury because they like what we've funded and curated and would like to see nouns continue to serve that role. Maybe like the a24 approach. Every film is not "a24 this, a24 that". The films themselves are not obsessively jamming a24 down your throat. Yet, they've become synonymous with a certain indie cool aesthetic in film such that people will seek out films just bc a24 produced it. Nouns could be the same. Not every piece of art needs to be SUPER NOUNISH and in fact it's probably better if they are not. Rather, over time nouns builds up social capital and a reputation for having funded great art such that if a new piece drops that is funded by nouns, our following of fans would want to see or appreciate the art sheerly because they trust our taste. my 2c
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bringing-back-small-grantsI think there's such a thing as prophouse fatigue, so something I'm interested in is bringing back small grants from an elected board that decides who to award grants to. Think 25-50ETH given to a small group which then distributes 1-5ETH grants to team that apply directly to the grant. I got my start in lil nouns through a similar grant. It's a win for builders because you can build whatever you want (without it having to align with a round) and its a win for the DAO since you don't have to vote on every round
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+1 > It always feels a little off when event sponsorship proposals show up just a week before the event. It makes it seem like Nouns is just an afterthought, used more as a last-minute way to cover costs rather than something they truly wanted to build around. > > Events should be proposing months in advance so the broader community has time to actually get excited and contribute. It also gives the proposer time to hit proper production timelines and lets us, as a DAO, actually maximize the opportunity.
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@wylin I didn't say it was ugly, just that it's funny everyone gets so stiff about a new trait. It doesn't even matter how good the trait is, there are always people who freak tf out about preserving the "purity" of nouns. Nouns is the infinite art project, I like adding new traits, especially when there is a good faith effort behind them. gg +1 > hahaha its so funny to me that people hate this. I love it. m'lady
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+1 > Tough vote. I've supported Kendama in the past and think it can be a good fit. That said, I'm going against for a few reasons: > > 1. Rounds.wtf isn’t a great fit here. The Kendama scene lives on Instagram, and I haven’t seen much effort to grow there. The last campaign felt internal, with little community reach. > > 2. I wish this was written in first person. Did Teodore even write it? > > 3. Satori being both DUNA admin and the largest token holder of Kendama DAO feels like a conflict. Would prefer more separation there.
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I'd don't know what sort of views dusk or jane represent aside from breakeven movement. I'm optimistic about folks wanting to take responsibility in nouns, but I don't feel comfortable given how little I know about the two folks here. I'd love to listen in to a few spaces hosted on some other channel to test the waters here though
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Normally I would consider ~600K to be a huge huge spend. Fundementally though, I agree with seneca and think that nouns best asset is it's people. The flows team has been great, and they are doing something both positive sum and genuinely interesting and novel for the future of nouns and governance as a whole. Keep it up rocketman and team +1 > after four years of shots on goal(s), it is clear to me that the best of nouns is its people. having mechanisms that attract, reward and retain old and new is important! it is what keeps the wheel churning. > > through building prop house and rounds, i've learned a lot -- all of which we can see in flows (and a whole lot more!). these types of systems are what allow us to continue to grow the bottoms-up community that is nouns. > > rocketman and riderway are talented builders who deserve our vote of confidence to continue to do what they do best. good luck! +1 > I think its definitely +EV for Nouns to continue to support this experiment in some way. Flows is one of those products that attempt to course-correct Nouns and thats exactly the type of energy and operators we want. So ultimately I think we should give rocketman and team more rope here, im just unsure about the specifics, hence abstaining this time.
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As someone who most closely aligns with the "nouns funds software" thesis, I don't think it's worth another ~70K into Nerman. I'd be much more into any sort of prop that aims to bring nouncil onchain
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As someone who really loves the nouns funds software thesis, the software needs to either 1. show growth 2. be novel / experimental such that we learn something new from the build, or contribute something new to the community As much as I appreciate you submitting this prop and working on software, I can't get myself excited about funding an NFT folder which isn't exectly a novel idea. Thanks
0x65a3870f…1d63sent to0x6f3e6272…223d·#22,195,979·0x38fd5d87…fa646e
Doesn't align with my vision for nouns, sorry. See [here](https://www.nouns.camp/candidates/567?tab=activity&item=0x8e59130ed6b5e3b1bf90678efdf909958d50c9740e39b94199f242e5328ecefd-272)
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https://x.com/punk4156/status/1701967422687707306 +1 > Wylin is indeed a community member worthy of our respect, and we believe he deserves retroactive rewards, but not in the form of Nouns NFTs. Instead, direct monetary compensation would be better. > > Gifting Nouns NFTs to someone is similar to an act of recognition, but what is the purpose of such recognition? Is it to inspire deeper identity recognition with NounsDAO in the recipient? However, when we search for 'Gift' on nouns.camp, the list includes people who have changed to Mfer avatars. When NFTs from the treasury are distributed but don't bring positive public impact, it's a waste of public resources. > > It's normal and good for proposers, the recognized individuals, and the sponsors to have friendly personal relationships. However, using public proposals to express this friendliness doesn't seem to be appropriate. > > Recently, Wylin's work has injected a healthy accountability culture into Nouns. We suggest compensating him for his due diligence and culture-building work on an hourly basis, potentially at a premium rate. On this point, we'd like to hear the community's and Wylin's thoughts.
0x65a3870f…1d63sent to0xf790a5f5…1365·#22,133,728·0x3118b873…7abddf
thank you very much for first signaling though before locking in an against vote. It is valuable to be able to have these discussions prior to votes being locked in. +1 > Wylin is indeed a community member worthy of our respect, and we believe he deserves retroactive rewards, but not in the form of Nouns NFTs. Instead, direct monetary compensation would be better. > > Gifting Nouns NFTs to someone is similar to an act of recognition, but what is the purpose of such recognition? Is it to inspire deeper identity recognition with NounsDAO in the recipient? However, when we search for 'Gift' on nouns.camp, the list includes people who have changed to Mfer avatars. When NFTs from the treasury are distributed but don't bring positive public impact, it's a waste of public resources. > > It's normal and good for proposers, the recognized individuals, and the sponsors to have friendly personal relationships. However, using public proposals to express this friendliness doesn't seem to be appropriate. > > Recently, Wylin's work has injected a healthy accountability culture into Nouns. We suggest compensating him for his due diligence and culture-building work on an hourly basis, potentially at a premium rate. On this point, we'd like to hear the community's and Wylin's thoughts.
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I'd rather give him an NFT -- paying him feels so corporate and gifting nouns is part of a long history. Sure some don't work out, but protecting the public resource doesn't make as much sense to me when there are 100s of nouns in the treasury and we aren't exactly burning through them +1 > Wylin is indeed a community member worthy of our respect, and we believe he deserves retroactive rewards, but not in the form of Nouns NFTs. Instead, direct monetary compensation would be better. > > Gifting Nouns NFTs to someone is similar to an act of recognition, but what is the purpose of such recognition? Is it to inspire deeper identity recognition with NounsDAO in the recipient? However, when we search for 'Gift' on nouns.camp, the list includes people who have changed to Mfer avatars. When NFTs from the treasury are distributed but don't bring positive public impact, it's a waste of public resources. > > It's normal and good for proposers, the recognized individuals, and the sponsors to have friendly personal relationships. However, using public proposals to express this friendliness doesn't seem to be appropriate. > > Recently, Wylin's work has injected a healthy accountability culture into Nouns. We suggest compensating him for his due diligence and culture-building work on an hourly basis, potentially at a premium rate. On this point, we'd like to hear the community's and Wylin's thoughts.
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nounforce-one:-bixbite's-proposal-tracking-&-treasury-recovery-mission-⌐◨-◨ I really like the idea Bix. I wonder if there is a way to cut the scope slightly so it's not 6 months up front? I also like what someone else below suggested which is something like a % fee for funds returned that would go back to you. Incentive alignment feels like a great way to make something like this more palatable to folks in the dao who may be more price sensitive these days
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to answer the q -- because it's an improvement, and the idea of keeping things worse just because we may not have previously noticed is flawed imo. Everything around us is the product of people caring a little bit more than anyone else about some tiny thing. It's why we have nice things +1 > is a Q > > +1 > > > horrible take > > > > +1 > > > > > If you were not aware of this easter egg before the proposal, then why vote For? If this is something you've worried about for a while, I can respect the vote For. Waste of dao time and funds voting on this (twice) imo.
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horrible take +1 > If you were not aware of this easter egg before the proposal, then why vote For? If this is something you've worried about for a while, I can respect the vote For. Waste of dao time and funds voting on this (twice) imo.
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ya the auction is cooked as a revenue mechanism, might as well give them to deserving community members now. Now that the unlimited money glitch is patched, less people will care about nouns, and so the scarce resource will be talent + interest. Hopefully enough of that can get us over the hump to the point where the treasury can be revitalized in other ways. gg +1 > Nouns auctions end at 0.71, the lowest in history. Community response: let’s gift a few.
0x65a3870f…1d63sent to0xf790a5f5…1365·#22,091,165·0xa8076ceb…446238
what-is-your-vision-for-nouns-dao?@0xc6a3...96E4 Great answers here, Nouns would be worse off without your contributing your time to this project. > **What’s your story with Nouns DAO?** > > i got into crypto in 2021, had heard about it before but didn't really get it. i'm a fine art & design school dropout so the idea of artists having more control over the distribution of their work and disintermediation of publishing companies, art galleries/ museums, record labels, etc. was really interesting > > i heard about Nouns in 2022, the context was, "they've got $50M and give out grants for proposals!" frankly i didn't care and wasn't impressed by a cursory glance at nouns.wtf. $50M is a smaller VC fund and i hadn't seen/ heard anything else about Nouns to draw me in. > > later that year, Davin ended up in a twitter space my friends and I were hosting. he told us a bit about Nouns & Gnars, then invited us to the Gnars space he was hosting. i shared what i'm up to in my professional life and Davin totally nouns-pilled me. haven' t looked back since > > **What brought you here, and why do you still stay after three forks?** > > the transparency & security of onchain governance. > > whether you think America's 2020 election was completely secure with negligible fraud or was totally rigged & stolen, the fact that my nation - the single best place in the world for capital formation and the singular global beacon for individual liberty - has a system that even allows for this type of unproductive debate to happen is deeply concerning. > > i truly believe we're pioneering a new model for building & maintaining civilization, if we take this game seriously > > **How do you think new members should be onboarded and integrated into the community?** > > i don't have strong thoughts on a particular flow/ process. it's obvious that this is a domain that needs significant consideration. no solution will be perfect, at minimum nouns.wtf needs an overhaul. allowing it to waste away has been a shameful choice by the people who run the Nouns monorepo imo. > > **What has frustrated or hurt you in the past?** > > - insider dealing & collusion between power players. > - reckless grant making with 0 oversight & accountability. > - Noun 40 calling into question my integrity & intelligence for making the statement that food can be a public good. > - Seneca being funded millions of dollars to build then sunset Prop House + chase the short term hype of Rounds while petulantly lashing out on the /nouns timeline at anyone who dared criticize him/ the Nounders > - the Nounders wallet being used to force through a prop to fund Winter's intern for an auction client no one uses > - The Nouns Square being funded 800+ eth total while doing the absolute bare minimum for the past year+ and talking shit about people in the DAO live on air > - JoshuaFisher sitting on $396,999 dollars intended for Free Glasses for Kids for 3 years and providing almost 0 updates + refusing to return the funds, then getting funded for a few more million > - Nounish, the media group, being funded millions of dollars to pivot away from being the DAO's marketing arm to making videos like "What's the Opposite of a Hotdog?" > - The Coffee Shop being obvious collusion between large players, then providing essentially 0 updates and making 0 progress for more than a year > > i'm sure there's more but you get the idea. > > **Have you seen people leave? If so, why did they go?** > > some people will gaslight you and say the first fork was 100% driven by arbitragers. they're not entirely wrong, they're just willfully ignoring the contingent of people who did not agree with the culture of 0 operations + reckless spending > > some people have come in bright eyed and unaware, just to discover how political of a game Nouns has been and threw their hands up in frustration/ disgust > > some people got their money and they ran > > some people fell out of favour with the DAO > > some people seem to realize their era of easy money has come to an end > > **Does the current state of the DAO align with your vision?** > > i started researching the DUNA intensively last March, and Wag presented my research to the Caymans Foundation at their restructuring meeting last June, so kind of. > > i'm not stoked by how deflated the community has become in the process > > **If you could influence the direction of Nouns DAO for the next year, what would you do?** > > 501c3 status. We may need a fiscal sponsor, essentially being under someone else's umbrella, to start because the DUNA is a brand new form of legal entity & the flat structure of a DAO does not fit nicely into traditional 501c3 structures. > > It doesn't stop Nouns from funding public goods technology, artists, and other impactful projects; there is a strong precedent of 501c3 organizations funding the type of projects the Nouns community is interested in. > > Becoming a 501c3 charity would make our tax obligation $0, give corporations, wealthy individuals, & other grant-making bodies a financial incentive to inject capital into the treasury, and impose severe restrictions & reprecussions for the type of insider dealing we've seen in Nouns. > > Major 501c3s like the MacArthur Foundation, which has $8.3B of assets and distributes a few hundred million of grants annually, have been saying for a few years that the historical model of top-down, centralized funding is not really workable and fails to have the impact it could, but don't know what to do otherwise. > > Nouns' decentralized governance model is the answer to their question, if we choose to take up the mantle.
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I don't hate this prop as a wake up call to better updates though. Propdates isn't really cutting it anymore. Not sure if Matty is around either, or if his tenure ended. Need someone like him to track status and report back to DAO +1 > trying to add weight on the other side and normalize voting FOR canceling a stream. have we ever cancelled a stream? (probably did but not anything remotely ambiguous or consequential is my guess). this is my criticism of the view that streams are a big fix towards accountability. we almost never cancel > them and anyone raising the possibility of doing so gets so much hate and criticism that you’d be crazy to raise the thought publicly unless the team has completely abandoned the project. i don’t know all the details here but feel comfortable voting for cancelling since i’ve always been consistently skeptical of the execution with this team. there’s always a trend of communication and engagement flaring up around proposal time and the execution and results feeling shallow or self serving from my eyes. that’s just me though and admittedly i’m not as close to the dao these days as i used to be.
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